Made these jeans after holding onto the fabric and pattern for a few years. I have no idea why I waited so long! For any pants I make I add 2" to the rise so I did that with these and made a sloper out of cotton gingham. I assumed that if the cotton was really tight then my stretch denim jeans should be just about right but they are about 2 sizes too big, still wearable. I'll be making another pair again soon!